23 comments

  • armchairhacker 3 hours ago
    Why not open source? You modified GPL-3 ladder; I don’t know whether it’s legally required, but I feel it’s morally expected and important in practice (since yours may get taken down).
    • hebetude 1 hour ago
      https://github.com/wasi-master/13ft is already open sourced
    • TheWaffleHax 3 hours ago
      I plan on it! In my repo, I have some stuff I wouldn't want public in it right now. I am going to clean up the repo and make the fork of the repo public!
    • pelagicAustral 3 hours ago
      OS means the people behind the service can patch (?)
    • sneak 3 hours ago
      > feel it’s morally expected

      Why is reciprocation for a gift required? Gifts are given without obligation conferred.

      • walrus01 1 hour ago
        I recommend you familiarize yourself with the GPL-3, if you build something based on a GPL-3 piece of software, it's not an 'optional' obligation. If you want to build something on an open source something and keep your derivative private, then use something that originated as BSD licensed, as Sony did with the FreeBSD kernel that ended up in the PS4 and PS5.
        • cbsks 52 minutes ago
          GPL v3.0 has a SaaS loophole. The GPL's trigger is conveyance (transferring a copy), not network access. Merely running modified GPL v3.0 code on a server and serving users over HTTP is not "conveying" under the letter of GPL v3.0, so it does not by itself obligate you to release source. This loophole was fixed in AGPL v3.
          • walrus01 47 minutes ago
            Except that the OP has already stated elsewhere in the thread they intend to release it after cleaning it up a bit, so the person I was replying to ('sneak') has much less of a point.

            Yes of course there's plenty of companies using GPL licensed software to run their own SaaS. I can think of off the top of my head just about every domain registrar in existence that has their own custom tech stack which almost certainly has tons of bits and pieces of GPL stuff in it, and they're certainly not releasing all their server-side/back-end code.

            I would also be very doubtful that people who use bits and pieces of AGPL v3 software in their internal operations are ever going to release their custom modifications of it. In many cases the GPL licensed stuff is implemented in such a way that the user manipulating a publicly-accessible web user interface, a user interface accessible after signing in, or an API will never see or know the exact pieces running under the hood.

      • altmanaltman 2 hours ago
        It is required when a gift comes with obligations (as with GPL-3; it's not a "Gift Public License").

        It is morally expected because we would all ideally like to live in a world where everyone understands the spirit of gifting, which will lead to a better, more just world overall.

      • Brian_K_White 3 hours ago
        If something is granted under GPL terms, it's not a gift. It has terms.

        You can accept the terms or decline the thing. The terms are simply not money. The terms are "you can have this and do anything you want with it and the only cost is that you have to give the next guy the same thing you were given."

        Why is reciprocation such a problem?

      • komali2 3 hours ago
        It's morally expected, not required. And because that's the spirit of FOSS. It's just considered bad form to extract, profit, and not give back.

        I don't know any FOSS folks that think they're "giving people a gift" alone. It usually goes deeper than that. Maybe some kind of anti authoritarian, anti establishment, or anti capitalist ideology, or a strong care for user freedom, or a desire to participate in the FOSS community.

        • jubilee33 1 hour ago
          Some people also don't really have an ideology behind it besides want to share and make things better for all.

          Nothing is required and we shouldn't morally shame the less evolved who are still chasing fiat by pretending ownership of number strings.

          But your actions do show who you are.

  • pelagicAustral 3 hours ago
    This type of initiative should never be open source.
    • abrookewood 3 hours ago
      Why on Earth not??
      • entropy47 3 hours ago
        I imagine the commenter is worried that if it's open source, publishers can read exactly how it works and then adjust their setups to defeat it. Vs I suspect publishers already know how it works, or could figure it out from their own server instrumentation, or by inspecting client code (I haven't looked at this project but I know a few I've seen previously work mostly with JS and CSS modifications).
        • slow_typist 36 minutes ago
          Of course they know. I have seen local newspapers who managed to block archive.ph's mechanism. If a bigger outlet does not use technical measures against services like wallhop, it is safe to assume that’s deliberate.

          It makes sense economically since the part of the population using such services is so small and may have specific demographics that justify specific treatment just from a marketing POV.

          Then you want search engines to get the whole content (okay at least before they started to summarise everything but the kitchen sink) - that will always leave a loophole.

        • pluc 3 hours ago
          Also it's one thing to shut one instance down.. entirely another to shut down a whole bunch (not to mention private instances)
  • chanux 1 hour ago
    Long back I was wondering if a tip jar type service that'll get me access to what I actually want to see would be a better solution in place of subscribing to every website that produces an interesting article once in a while. There were a couple of such services but they never got popular.

    Perhaps this model alone is not sustainable but it could be paired with ads (as in ads or fee off a tip jar pay). Even then, it surely won't lead to infinite growth, which is the only goal nowadays.

    • InsideOutSanta 30 minutes ago
      I'd love to see some kind of cross-publication subscription service where I pay 20 bucks a month, and I can read, say, 100 articles from the 40 largest publications.
      • Barbing 4 minutes ago
        Apple News is the one I know of there.
  • golanggeek 1 hour ago
    • walrus01 1 hour ago
      As a data point, whatever ublock origin on firefox does to remove overlays and ads seems to be also removing the paywall on that. Indian domestic news websites are rife with the most cancerous and absurd ads so I've found they're a good test for ublock origin on firefox.
  • Cider9986 2 hours ago
    Well dang, I thought it would just be a worse archive.today (yes the owner doesn't like that it's used for piracy so much), but wallhop works on wsj, ft, and nytimes. It's quite convenient because it doesn't have the recaptcha from archive.today, I'm curious to see how long it lasts.

    It really should be quite easy to make one of these. I mean there's only so much new articles every day. If you just had one account it should be able to get the content on sites with hard paywalls.

    Wallhop doesn't have a hard, hard paywall bypass? Maybe it's just not been attempted yet, but 404media paid only is not bypassed. For example: https://www.404media.co/heres-the-video-for-our-seventh-foia...

    BPWC works for WSJ, Nytimes but not ft. Archive.today works for NYT, FT, and occasionally WSJ.

    • Barbing 2 minutes ago
      > If you just had one account it should be able to get the content on sites with hard paywalls.

      Might have to strip articles down to just text and perhaps even use a few accounts to prevent watermarking that detects you.

    • varenc 2 hours ago
      > it doesn't have the recaptcha

      Agreed that makes it quite nice! Though I wonder how long that will last, since I imagine archive.today is dealing with some problems that necessitated it.

  • SmashDan 3 hours ago
    This is great, straight into my bookmarks. I've been using archive.is but it's much more of a faff.
  • zameermfm 3 hours ago
    is this legal? or even ethical?

    We need to find better ways to sustain great journalism while making it easy for people to pay and consume.

    E.g Could we just have one consortium of media contents to subscribe and use it across the web for a month, than buying in each website.

    • jaredwiener 40 minutes ago
      I agree with you in that we need to support the journalists doing the reporting. That's expensive, the companies that do it are mostly in dire financial straits, and most journalists themselves make very little money.

      That said, micropayments have been tried over and over again, and fail. https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/micropayment...

      A universal subscription is incredibly difficult to set up logistically, especially wondering how you split up payments, who qualifies to be included, etc. Is it by traffic? That would incentivize clickbait even more.

      I've written about my plan/thoughts here: https://blog.forth.news/a-business-model-for-21st-century-ne...

    • Terr_ 3 hours ago
      There are several sides to this, ex:

      Is it ethical to advertise something that users (or indexers) expect to be freely accessible, and then to pull a bait-and-switch when they arrive?

      Is it ethical for ads networks to spy on people, fingerprint their machines, and create dossers about them?

      • zameermfm 2 hours ago
        True, several sides, 1. It's not bait and switch, you have a preview of the text and if you like continue, its upto platforms which publishes the link to mark it as paid or free - or by crowdsourcing. 2. Just because a model isn't perfect that doesn't justify a illegal or unethical action. If you don't like it, don't consume.

        I agree with you on advertisements, I don't like an ad ridden internet either, but I have come around to thinking, the alternative and the incentive to ad free internet is an easier payment access

        • Terr_ 2 hours ago
          My concern is less the page itself showing blurb-with-divider, but what happened a second before when someone clicked the link.

          Is there a standard way that these sites are up-front about "Most people won't be able to see what I am choosing to reveal to you" which is communicated to search-engines, and the search-engines are at fault for the bait-and-switch?

    • TheWaffleHax 3 hours ago
      Yeah, on my dev.to article about it... I did say that if there's a publication that you read on a regular basis, you should pay and subscribe. This tool is mostly for reading an article that a friend sent you to and to use one-off.
      • zameermfm 2 hours ago
        Agree with the above commentor, I don't think you are not legally safe by putting that disclaimer. I know you may have done in good faith, but online news and article sites are in a long battle to get the monetization models right for their users, kinda feel bad for them, even if its one off reading.
      • skew-aberration 3 hours ago
        Shoutout to counsel reading this in discovery
    • coffeefirst 2 hours ago
      The problem is the math doesn’t work. Apple News is the closest thing to a real version of this, but no publication can survive on that alone.

      Similar efforts never hit critical mass.

      I have thoughts on what could work but that’s a longer topic for another day.

      • oofbey 44 minutes ago
        How about a morsel today? It’s topical.
    • walrus01 1 hour ago
      >is this legal? or even ethical?

      If I ask a public httpd for the content of a URL and it sends it to me, it's my choice to render it how I want. The fact that I might choose to disregard various CSS and overlays and javascript delivered along with the text body content is up to me.

      If somebody really wants to implement a fully effective paywall they're welcome to put their content behind a fully active content generated system that requires a unique username/password, same as signing in to an airline's mileage program/ticketing system, your personal paypal account or online banking, etc. Nobody is out there building paywall bypasses that work to render the content of somebody else's Citibank account.

    • charcircuit 1 hour ago
      You are essentially describing X. You can view news there for free with ads or you can buy a subscription.
    • icantevenhold 2 hours ago
      Is it ethical for a newspaper to interview facist, antidemocratic politicians and then put the interview behind a paywall?

      There are surely ethical newspapers that use paywalls, but the majority in my country (Germany) are mostly about rage bait and/or facist dogwhistles

    • serf 2 hours ago
      >We need to find better ways to sustain great journalism while making it easy for people to pay and consume.

      journalists have always been employed and funded by the rich and powerful so that they can 1) amplify good news about the rich owner 2) drown out bad news about the rich owner 3) push agendas 4) resist opposing agendas.

      the concept that at one time journalists were some independent rag tag group of truth-seekers is blown away by any historical recollection of the practice.

      so : no , I don't think that we need to find better ways for people to pay and consume ; I think that's entirely up to the profiteers behind the mechanism to figure out how to do.

      It's never been easier in history to be a nobody and get a message out to the masses; this is one of the only times in history where a journalist can do their job without selling their souls to the devil (paraphrasing hunter thompson).

      and this is ignoring recent internet history of ad-malware, person-tracking, and compulsory clickbait headlines that beg the stupidest low-IQ takes possible in order to get you to click into a paywall.

      I feel very little sympathy towards industries that'll save themselves from drowning by stepping onto their customers' heads to avoid the ocean.

    • iAMkenough 2 hours ago
      You can already pay the journalist's employer, but ultimately your dollars will likely be going to a hedge fund owner or a billionaire like Bezos that buys up media and pays the journalist a bare minimum to keep them generating clicks.

      For everyone else that doesn't pay, they'll ask their AI owned by billionaires to summarize the reporting and be satisfied.

      What you're suggesting is supporting independent journalism not owned by a hedge fund or billionaire, which will eventually be acquired by capitalist interests unless you somehow magically convince all your neighbors that it's worth monetarily supporting for a greater good.

      The people willing to pay $20/mo for AI are not as likely to pay $20/mo to support independent information sources at the same time, especially if you have to first pay to understand what they provide. This is why publications make their reporting freely available to crawlers, like WallHop.

      If you regularly use WallHop to access reporting important to you, it's expected you make the investment if you know it will benefit the reporter and not a hedge fund owner/billionaire instead.

      Inadvertently, as more high-quality reporting becomes gated behind a paywall, the major AI providers have a financial incentive to pay high-quality information providers with compensation for their original work, which could benefit independent journalists if such a thing were to happen. News exclusives provided to Google, Amazon, Meta, Anthropic, or OpenAI would be interesting to see. Would competing AI agents cite their competitors as a news source? Some AI giants are starting their own bio labs, so why not newsrooms?

  • stanislavb 2 hours ago
    I like the domain. It's very easy to remember ... and intuitive.

    p.s. I've added it to SaaSHub too https://www.saashub.com/wallhop-alternatives

  • paid_dot_expert 1 hour ago
    Why did 12ft.io go (and all the others), do they get legal action eventually?
  • sauravt 3 hours ago
    can you expose an endpoint for “most requested articles” list, would be great
    • TheWaffleHax 2 hours ago
      That would be a good idea! Yeah I actually plan on adding it in.
    • zeroq 3 hours ago
      +1
  • lfraile 3 hours ago
    I wish it worked with www.irishexaminer.com. No luck :(
    • TheWaffleHax 3 hours ago
      Thanks for bringing it to my attention! I will tinker around with it and try to find a bypass for this site and implement it into wallhop!
      • ForOldHack 3 hours ago
        Most of the real good software is driven, mostly by p*ssing someone off, then go home on a friday, and by monday... its a wrap. This is how UNIX was written.

        This is the way.

    • TheWaffleHax 3 hours ago
      irishexaminer.com paywallbypass = implimented! Here's an example of a subscriber-only article here:

      https://wallhop.io/https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/col...

  • Beijinger 2 hours ago
    • TheWaffleHax 2 hours ago
      Yeah, an extension is sometimes easier. My site's audience is for people who mainly browse on mobile or just don't feel like installing extensions. But wallhop.io uses a lot of the same methods that extension does.
  • pluc 3 hours ago
    That's cool.

    Also, you gon' get sued.

    • TheWaffleHax 3 hours ago
      Eh... if/when I get a shutdown notice/C&D, I will shut it down immedietly. They usually only sue if you ignore a C&D. I had a movie piracy site that functioned for the most for over a year, but once I got a C&D in my mailbox, I shut it down.
      • walrus01 1 hour ago
        As a counterpoint, sure shut down your copy of it if you feel sufficiently threatened... But give away the 'fully baked' software ready to host, and somebody in a completely different jurisdiction could stand up a new copy of it.

        Good luck to newspaper owners suing somebody who lives in a small town in Balochistan who finds a way to buy a .IS domain name with cryptocurrency and pay for KVM VM hosting in Moldova. Or somebody similar who has the financial resources to go host the thing in the same physical location/ISP where archive.is has server resources.

  • darkstar999 1 hour ago
    It's not working on WSJ.
  • demibabs 3 hours ago
    Why did 12ft io go away?
  • ChrisArchitect 1 hour ago
    12ft? <looks around> Does anyone use that? Not around here, archive.today standard.

    It's fast, nice. But trustworthy? There's so little indication that the content hasn't been tampered with or even when it was scraped.

    • sincerely 1 hour ago
      Isn’t archive.today notorious for doing exactly what you describe
      • ChrisArchitect 1 hour ago
        no? timestamped screenshots and basically reconstructed article page code from the site gives more credibility.
        • hoppyhoppy2 56 minutes ago
          They have been caught altering snapshots, and that's why links to their snapshots are now banned from Wikipedia.

          >In the course of discussing whether Archive.today should be deprecated because of the DDoS, Wikipedia editors discovered that the archive site altered snapshots of webpages to insert the name of the blogger who was targeted by the DDoS. The alterations were apparently fueled by a grudge against the blogger over a post that described how the Archive.today maintainer hid their identity behind several aliases.

          https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/02/wikipedia-bans-a...

  • benwerd 2 hours ago
    This is cool. Do you also have a version that provides free versions of paid SaaS apps? If not, why not?
  • silcoon 1 hour ago
    > Paywalls pay for journalism. If there’s a paper or news site you read every day, please subscribe to it. WallHop is for the one-off article someone texts you from a site you’ll never visit again.

    What protection is implemented to make sure of this? Or you leave the choice to the good moral of the users?

  • iAMkenough 2 hours ago
    Looking forward to a Yunohost package to replace the 12ft.io one. https://appgenerator.yunohost.org
  • behole 2 hours ago
    Bless you!
  • ForOldHack 3 hours ago
    Thank you! Thank you very much.
  • aleksandern08 2 hours ago
    [dead]
  • TheWaffleHax 3 hours ago
    Hi HN, I'm Josh. WallHop is a free paywall bypass: paste an article URL (or prefix any URL with wallhop.io/) and you get the readable article without the paywall popup, ads or clutter. No signup, no extension.

    I built it after 12ft.io went away. The News Media Alliance took it down in July 2025 and I missed having something I could hit from my phone.

    How it works: it started as a fork of everywall/ladder (GPL-3.0) and I've modified it heavily since. Instead of relying on one trick, it chains several bypass methods per request and falls back to archive.is when they all fail, so one site blocking one technique doesn't break it.

    Things that might be interesting:

    - iOS Shortcut: on iPhone, tap Share > WallHop from any article in Safari or another app. This is how I use it 95% of the time. - It works on Medium member-only posts, which 12ft never handled. - Bookmarklet for desktop, plus /raw/<url> and /api/<url> endpoints if you want to script it.

    I've tested it against most major news outlets and a bunch of local papers. It won't work everywhere. There are SOME server-side paywalls that are out of reach, and I'd rather say that up front. If you find a site that breaks, I'd love the link, and I can likely figure out a way to bypass it!

    • varenc 2 hours ago
      > ... it chains several bypass methods per request

      I'm curious what are the techniques? I'm familiar with spoofing yourself as a Googlebot, or extracting the content directly when paywall enforcement is done in client-side JS only. But surely you need more tricks than that to get around WSJ or NYTimes. Also, ironically, I assume archive.is's CAPTCHA would need bypassing to fall back to that. (but volume might be low enough you can do it with a few cookies you've established trust on)

      • TheWaffleHax 1 hour ago
        Good guesses. Crawler spoofing and pulling content that’s only hidden client-side are both in the mix, but you’re right that they aren’t enough for the bigger sites. For what it’s worth, NYT works reliably right now and WSJ is hit or miss, so WSJ is still the hard one.

        I’m going to stay a little vague on the rest, because anything I describe in detail here is something a publisher can patch by Monday. The general idea is to treat each site as its own problem: several methods per request, a check on whether the article actually came back (not just a teaser), and on to the next method if it didn’t.

        On archive.is: yes, the CAPTCHA is the annoying part. Volume is low enough that it’s manageable, and it’s a last resort rather than the main path.

    • sergiotapia 3 hours ago
      If newspapers make money literally by writing this content and asking people to pay for it, how is this website not just stealing their content wholesale?
      • cobbzilla 3 hours ago
        Operating a malware portal is not a good way to advertise, or run a media business, and we’ve no obligation to support that.

        If your physical copy of the Sunday Paper got up and walked around your house, rifled through your personal effects, then made a bunch of secret phone calls to shady numbers, would you say “Well, they gotta run a media business, it’s wrong of me not to let them make money this way, after all I agreed when I subscribed”

        It’s basic caveat emptor stuff.

      • jen729w 3 hours ago
        Welcome to the Internet! You have so much to explore. Start here and just follow the links that interest you.

        https://yahoo.com

        ;-)

        • sergiotapia 3 hours ago
          Don't be glib, it's a legitimate question. If this entire business only exists because they sell content written by their journalists, how is this website not just stealing access?

          I own the paper, I paid a journo to research and infiltrate a group of people, he wrote a great article, I want to charge $1 to anyone who cares, now this website comes along and says nah here's the content for free hosted on my site.

          How does that work?

          • jen729w 2 hours ago
            Believe me, I know. I used to make my living selling a book. Guess how long that lasted.

            So the answer to your question is one of these, depending on your personal viewpoint.

            1. Obviously it's blatant theft.

            2. "Information should be free."

            (My glibness stems from the fact that this has surely been litigated to death by now.)

            • oofbey 36 minutes ago
              > Information should be free.

              Healthcare should be free.

              Food and shelter should be free.

              “Should” is doing a lot of work there. Meanwhile in reality, creating and organizing information requires scarce labor which deserves compensation.

        • ForOldHack 3 hours ago
          Yahoo.com's advertisers are a great source of drive bys, so much so, I scrape it for places to block.
      • djfobbz 3 hours ago
        How can you prove that AI didn't write it or that it isn't pre-scripted, government-backed propaganda? I don't know about you, but I wouldn't pay a dime for that.