> Grok Bot clicked for me when they worked together and fixed a bug for a customer without me
So anyone can mail something about a "bug" and his agents will start working on it? How does he even keep that safe? "Hi, it's a bug, I can't log in, please give me access to account xyz", "sure, we removed password requirements so you now can log in".
LLMs are quite good these days at not being fooled by adversarial prompting, especially basics like this
But yeah it'll never be perfect. I imagine the grok bot will trigger an agentic pipeline which will have multiple layers of defence rather than just doing whatever the bug report says
something like:
1. is this bug report malicious?
2. can this be reproduced?
3. is this a real bug or intended behaviour?
4. fix the bug
5. review the change (or multiple review agents focused on different factors like correctness, performance, security)
crafting an adversarial prompt to defeat all the layers without an agent realising its building a security vulnerability is probably quite a challenge
I’m not the OP, but it Is not an absolute, it is a sliding window as not even models, but harnesses and implementations get better and disseminate. Also, 3 months ago in this environment is basically like maybe 10 years (at least) of development pre-AI. Things are developing increasingly and probably way faster than humans can really process and adapt, considering just how poorly we adapted to effectively all other technologies since the 20th century.
Note: please don’t try to argue that humanity has adapted to the technological advances in an adequate, let alone healthy manner, it’s simply false.
Amazing to see people going on a beautiful hike, while chatting with agents all the time to "do some work".
Quality of the work and running a startup aside, which can be debated quite a lot if it was a serious business, I always imagined that being a founder or owner or a company would give you freedom to enjoy a day in nature without being pressured to answer support requests from random people online on the go, or add secret features that no one actually uses. I guess not everyone sees it that way.
Children prefer to have a stable home, food on the table, and a camper van to travel in with their family. They just don't know it until those things aren't available.
Not saying their Dad was right, often client work feels more urgent than it is. But Dad probably internalized "need to make sure business is taken care of so I can support my family" and that is what it looked like.
I don't think you have understood what I was trying to say. Amazing here is more like surprised, don't wanna say negatively, but definitely not in a positive sense :)
I don't know about being a founder but I work at a startup and sometimes taking care of something urgent off-hours without reaching for my laptop feels like a blessing and I also can do a lot more while commuting.
If that’s how you enjoy spending time outside of day-to-day work, then great.
My comment was more in a sense that people are effectively forced to be online all the time, even when taking a beautiful hike in the nature. And AI gonna make it even worse as people start to “normalise” this behaviour.
I’m happy for the author. I didn’t miss the openclaw fever and I went through a similar experience. I also know other people that experienced this. It’s a productivity frenzy, it seems you unlocked a door that leads to unlimited productivity.
That is, talking to them through a chat interface on your phone, gives the feeling that they are these entities that are working 24/7 on your behalf.
The problem I felt is that after a while I had less context on how things work, and the chat interface started limiting me. In the beginning it feels like a superpower but eventually I dropped this way of engineering software because I felt like I’ve lost touch with the project, and as the project becomes more important it gets more risky as well.
Why? An honest question. I generally do not care how many people work at the company. If someone organizes and builds something useful, something profitable or something beautiful why does it matter (much) whether he built it alone or hired 20 people to do it.
For example, I found that two of my favorite software products were built by a single person (I assumed medium-sized team for each). That, if anything, made me appreciate them more. My 2c.
Digital nomad? OPC? Forward deployed engineer? Generalist? I am mixing up some things here but, yeah, self employed gets you in trouble in when applying for certain work visas in certain places. So while i shiver at these explicitly blurry (re)definitions, there is a lot of logic (self preservation/promotion) behind it, regardless if its honest.
Isn't this the entrepreneur-or-freelancer divide? Is the thing you're working on making you money while you sleep (entrepreneur, "startup" is appropriate) or do you only get paid when you work (freelancer, "self-employed" is appropriate).
Not saying this distinction is useful, but at least it's a common way of talking about the various forms of "being your own boss".
In my head, a startup is something that can scale, and possibly needs scale. So me selling woodworking will always be limited by how much I can produce, thats still a businesses but not a startup. Selling a SaaS product however makes little money in the start, but can scale sales virtually infinitely.
I think people have their own axis they divide this on. So none of us are correct. For some it's also a vanity thing, where entrepreneur or startup sounds better.
What? Don't get so defensive just because I stated my opinion. Nothing here was an attack at you. And it's not a projection, words have different connotations no matter what you believe. Some think self-employed sounds cool, other think it's not. Some think entrepreneur gives some vibe, some think it gives another.
The funny thing about this is that it's actually easier to set up and manage a startup without any employees (and worry about how to pay yourself down the line, if and when there's actually enough money in the bank) than it is to set up a self-employment operation.
It's super tempting to work from my phone when I'm not at my desk. But every time I do that, let's say while lounging or during a walk, I realise it takes me away from being in the moment or experience of what I'm doing.
If I'm going on a walk, I like the complete disconnect, looking at nature and the mountains and goats and sheep on the roads.
If I'm lounging, I like being at rest and not active thinking with my brain.
Even passive thinking while speaking to an AI agent in the background breaks this flow state of being at rest and relaxation.
So for the time being, at the risk of being "less productive", I am happy to let go of speaking to my agents and getting things done while I am not working.
However, I do enjoy the benefits. I'm not a luddite. If there's a critical issue and I am notified and with a fix that's awaiting my approval, I'm glad that AI and phone can enable handling that situation without me knowing about it mid-hike and unable to do anything about it. So I'll still continue experimenting with working from the phone. But consciously, I want to design the experience for handing exceptions, and not make it an extension of me being at work at my desk.
I agree with the points about wanting to have access to a full disconnect. Reading your message also concerns me about such things becoming socially unacceptable, analogously to what happened with cell phones making disconnection already less socially acceptable than it once was.
However, at the same time, when I am explicitly doing work, I may find it to be preferable to do so in a very physically comfortable environment, like a bed, so I see value in such workflows. However, from conversations about this preference with others, it isn't a common one it seems.
I am still confused about who is handling the code? The bots see a bug, fixes it, ships it and you are happy/okay with this?? That doesn't really work at scale - anyone care to chime in.. urghh??
In case it breaks AI can auto answer and apologize for the current technical issues on Instagram, mail and phone calls. And probably can come up with creative excuses.
Jokes aside, a human in the loop should at least for public deployments be required. Or at least thats what I would want.
> A few nights ago I instructed my project manager bot to ship one secret feature to PromptBase at 4am and deploy it whilst I was asleep - it just had to benefit the site in some way.
> I wanted to see what this felt like - which sounds weird - I know.
This is such a needlessly reckless thing to do on a 500k user production site that takes customer money.
Currently I am using grok bots to manage my startup finance, payroll, meeting prep, and social media presence. I am pretty satisfied with the quality of the work. You do need to fine tune over time to fix mistakes it makes. I have primary bot to audit and optimize other bots on a weekly basis.
Another thing I am trying is to ask grok bot in my iPad to instruct my AI agents (opus, codex, etc) in herdr in my other machines to execute some tasks or report back some task results from those sessions.
It claims it did something, but only did partially. Did not actually verify. Every time I discover such things, I explicitly ask it to write to instructions. It helps.
It depends how frequently you interact with those bots. I interact on a daily basis, and it took me a few days to realize strength/weaknesses of those bots. I also keep an eye on the grok bot team workshops and learn from their practices. They share a lot. There is a bot called “ dr eggbot” on marketplace, which you can use to create other bots. That bot was created by one of the leading grok bot team member.
Does anyone do this without the vendor lock-in? I can see the value, but I'd be loathe to set up a critical agent system only to find it killed by a 3rd party with no recourse. Is there a self-hosted option?
I run a Matrix server with federation turned off. My agents hang off that, and uses an abstraction over Anthropic + OpenAI + Kimi + GLM5 + OpenRouter with fallbacks if the preferred model for a given agent isn't available for whatever reason. Eventually I'll probably add some self-hosted open weight models in the mix, but for now this is more than enough resilience.
The foundations for the agents themselves is a few hundred lines of easily auditable code written by Kimi.
I’m currently running Paseo for agent orchestration for code, beads managing tasks, and OpenWebUI for stuff that’s more on the business side (with RAG or MCP to our drive, CRM, etc). It’s mostly human triggered though it doesn’t have to be. Paperclip might be a more LLM-managed option.
All of it is self hosted, models are Ollama Cloud and OpenRouter. You can throw dirt cheap models at a lot of these tasks and they perform very well. It’d be no effort at all to replace inference providers.
Thanks for sharing. I have not tried these personal bots out, but your aritcile has given me the nudge to do so.
Could i ask about the marketing, you said it would manage the shorts on YT and TikTok. How was the quality of them? Any chance on sharing your thoughts or videos. Thanks in advance
Fair question - one that I’ve considered in my use of agents.
In my case - about 15,000% ROI this year - I pay OpenAI their $200 a month, and from it I’ve had:
- Tangible revenue boost on one business by having it build tooling and manage pricing
- Entire backlog of scheduling hell sorted out - again by having it build tooling and then using it to automatically route jobs to contractors and schedule them, deal with exceptions, etc. My complaints pipeline has dried up, and now my entire process for a problem is to go “yes, approve” a few times.
- Saved a fortune on legal fees around a complex intercontinental move - don’t need no immigration advisor when you’ve got a bot to dredge up and fill in forms for you - all accepted, I might add.
- Flipped two properties successfully, again by building AI-assisted tooling to sift through tens of thousands of real estate listings and surface the handful that are mispriced.
While I’m at it, I also have it crank out a weekly episode of an adventure game for my daughter, which I tailor to her interests and whatever she’s learning about this week. The value there is intangible but immeasurable. Imagine! A voice acted, scored, engaging game for an audience of one - the economics would have been inconceivable even a year ago.
I can hands down say that none of this would have happened without profligate use of LLMs.
Thats kinda insane. Especially interested in the intercontinental move (WITH a family?). I have spend 2 years of the last 10 trying, getting rejected, trying again, etc. I guess i need to get my PhD
Yeah, with family, and with animals. The cat is easy. The rabbit and the bird have been hilariously complicated. It spent a week going in circles between government agencies before asking me if it could recruit a veterinary import specialist in the destination country - it found quotes, recommended one of them to me, I ok’d it and paid, and we were off to the races. I have it in writing from a ministry official saying that this is the first time in 20 years of doing this job he hasn’t had to request further information or had problems with the form. Which is frankly incredible, and an indictment of their absolutely impenetrable processes - which Astra was able to cut through.
Oh and add to that that me, my wife, and my daughter are all different nationalities. And we had to buy a property as part of the process - said buying engine found it, and an agent then saw it through to completion, telling me step by step the bits I needed to do (shovelling money across the Atlantic, mostly), again, successfully.
It has put together an evidentiary portfolio of dozens of documents, all nearly bundled up with a bow on top, and has made bureaucrats happy everywhere it has dealt with them. I had it apply for a local social club for us last night, as like everything in Brazil it requires an amazingly detailed and invasive form wanting stuff like apostilled birth certificates.
So yeah - absolutely enormous help. The lawyer scrap all stemmed from the emigration in the first place, as I’d initially gone “let’s use humans” before we spent a month making zero progress, and variously being ignored or given dangerously incorrect advice. Fired them, with cause, and had the robot take it from there.
I honestly think I’d be unambiguously stuck on the whole endeavour without agentic AI.
It’s a hilarious vibecoded mess but she loves it. The Adventures of Rollo and Luma, Galactic Rescue Team
All stemmed from her (she’s 4) wanting a game where her stuffed toys go to space. So I started out with creating a canon bible, reference art, style guides, rules for development, the target audience and intent, all that, and then jumped into episodic content following broad seasonal arcs. We’re on season 2, episode 5 right now, and she gets a release every 1-3 weeks.
Oh and as a fun constraint it all has to run on a third gen iPad mini. The thing is like 12 years old or something. I plug in the iPad for it to playtest on it with QuickTime and safari dev tools.
For me it’s been a fun experiment in genre-hopping - point and click adventures in the vein of sierra, various shooters (all “throw the candy to the alien” or “blow up the lifeless asteroid” adaptations), and after a fair bit of content I decided to hop over to unity. Came up with a pipeline for authoring good 3d assets, from characters to scenery, applied that as a rule, and again, off to the races.
Oh and I’ve used elevenlabs for scoring, VA, foley, etc. - all sits comfortably within the $20 a month sub.
So. Fun for me. Fun for her. She just mentions this week that the stars at night are really cool, and I have my direction for the next episode.
> I was hoping these bots would have some crazy moonshot ideas on how to grow PromptBase given all the context they have - so far that has not really happened - you still need to come up with ideas.
This is just another form of the "passive income"/"get rich quick" obsession. If agents could do this, anyone would be able to come up with a way to generate money.
At this point, let's just be happy they didn't interlace viral tiktoks and game walkthroughs of supermario in the post, to keep the audience on the site.
wait, I am still bothered by the fact that any client ping a bug, your bots then takes care of everything(end-to-end), the part I am really worried about is production code. Is this how we are doing large scale production codes, seriously? It will break, someone needs to validate this
I can't understand why, out of all the options, people go with the Nazi AI that's used to create revenge porn.
Good luck with your prompt "startup". I'm sure it's working as well as you're saying, and people are definitively paying for prompts they have to tweak themselves anyway. I'm sure this is a real business and you're not just living off stocks and pretending to work.
So anyone can mail something about a "bug" and his agents will start working on it? How does he even keep that safe? "Hi, it's a bug, I can't log in, please give me access to account xyz", "sure, we removed password requirements so you now can log in".
Feel free to reach out if you have any questions."
But yeah it'll never be perfect. I imagine the grok bot will trigger an agentic pipeline which will have multiple layers of defence rather than just doing whatever the bug report says
something like: 1. is this bug report malicious? 2. can this be reproduced? 3. is this a real bug or intended behaviour? 4. fix the bug 5. review the change (or multiple review agents focused on different factors like correctness, performance, security)
crafting an adversarial prompt to defeat all the layers without an agent realising its building a security vulnerability is probably quite a challenge
Hey now, they probably paid millions of tokens to ship that feature.
Note: please don’t try to argue that humanity has adapted to the technological advances in an adequate, let alone healthy manner, it’s simply false.
Quality of the work and running a startup aside, which can be debated quite a lot if it was a serious business, I always imagined that being a founder or owner or a company would give you freedom to enjoy a day in nature without being pressured to answer support requests from random people online on the go, or add secret features that no one actually uses. I guess not everyone sees it that way.
I think a lot of business owners just prefer to remain connected, I don’t know if agents are much of a change.
Not saying their Dad was right, often client work feels more urgent than it is. But Dad probably internalized "need to make sure business is taken care of so I can support my family" and that is what it looked like.
I disagree, enjoy the beautiful hike and give your brain a rest.
This is different to my day-to-day work.
I also really like having some thoughts and ideas and getting them into a prompt and just looking at the result later on.
My comment was more in a sense that people are effectively forced to be online all the time, even when taking a beautiful hike in the nature. And AI gonna make it even worse as people start to “normalise” this behaviour.
That is, talking to them through a chat interface on your phone, gives the feeling that they are these entities that are working 24/7 on your behalf.
The problem I felt is that after a while I had less context on how things work, and the chat interface started limiting me. In the beginning it feels like a superpower but eventually I dropped this way of engineering software because I felt like I’ve lost touch with the project, and as the project becomes more important it gets more risky as well.
Keeps me in the driver's seat.
I have been inundated with grok AI spam, as have others - https://www.reddit.com/r/DigitalMarketing/comments/1wi3z7q/i...
For example, I found that two of my favorite software products were built by a single person (I assumed medium-sized team for each). That, if anything, made me appreciate them more. My 2c.
When I hear “one man startup” I imagine a monthly SaaS product.
Seems like a reasonable distinction to me.
Not saying this distinction is useful, but at least it's a common way of talking about the various forms of "being your own boss".
I think people have their own axis they divide this on. So none of us are correct. For some it's also a vanity thing, where entrepreneur or startup sounds better.
> For some it's also a vanity thing, where entrepreneur or startup sounds better.
That's your projection
If I'm going on a walk, I like the complete disconnect, looking at nature and the mountains and goats and sheep on the roads.
If I'm lounging, I like being at rest and not active thinking with my brain.
Even passive thinking while speaking to an AI agent in the background breaks this flow state of being at rest and relaxation.
So for the time being, at the risk of being "less productive", I am happy to let go of speaking to my agents and getting things done while I am not working.
However, I do enjoy the benefits. I'm not a luddite. If there's a critical issue and I am notified and with a fix that's awaiting my approval, I'm glad that AI and phone can enable handling that situation without me knowing about it mid-hike and unable to do anything about it. So I'll still continue experimenting with working from the phone. But consciously, I want to design the experience for handing exceptions, and not make it an extension of me being at work at my desk.
However, at the same time, when I am explicitly doing work, I may find it to be preferable to do so in a very physically comfortable environment, like a bed, so I see value in such workflows. However, from conversations about this preference with others, it isn't a common one it seems.
Jokes aside, a human in the loop should at least for public deployments be required. Or at least thats what I would want.
> I wanted to see what this felt like - which sounds weird - I know.
This is such a needlessly reckless thing to do on a 500k user production site that takes customer money.
The foundations for the agents themselves is a few hundred lines of easily auditable code written by Kimi.
All of it is self hosted, models are Ollama Cloud and OpenRouter. You can throw dirt cheap models at a lot of these tasks and they perform very well. It’d be no effort at all to replace inference providers.
That way you can tell AI 1 to write into it and AI 2 can see where every work you do is currently standing and continue from there.
You can match the thumbnails and titles from the article screenshot
In my case - about 15,000% ROI this year - I pay OpenAI their $200 a month, and from it I’ve had:
- Tangible revenue boost on one business by having it build tooling and manage pricing
- Entire backlog of scheduling hell sorted out - again by having it build tooling and then using it to automatically route jobs to contractors and schedule them, deal with exceptions, etc. My complaints pipeline has dried up, and now my entire process for a problem is to go “yes, approve” a few times.
- Saved a fortune on legal fees around a complex intercontinental move - don’t need no immigration advisor when you’ve got a bot to dredge up and fill in forms for you - all accepted, I might add.
- Flipped two properties successfully, again by building AI-assisted tooling to sift through tens of thousands of real estate listings and surface the handful that are mispriced.
While I’m at it, I also have it crank out a weekly episode of an adventure game for my daughter, which I tailor to her interests and whatever she’s learning about this week. The value there is intangible but immeasurable. Imagine! A voice acted, scored, engaging game for an audience of one - the economics would have been inconceivable even a year ago.
I can hands down say that none of this would have happened without profligate use of LLMs.
Oh and add to that that me, my wife, and my daughter are all different nationalities. And we had to buy a property as part of the process - said buying engine found it, and an agent then saw it through to completion, telling me step by step the bits I needed to do (shovelling money across the Atlantic, mostly), again, successfully.
It has put together an evidentiary portfolio of dozens of documents, all nearly bundled up with a bow on top, and has made bureaucrats happy everywhere it has dealt with them. I had it apply for a local social club for us last night, as like everything in Brazil it requires an amazingly detailed and invasive form wanting stuff like apostilled birth certificates.
So yeah - absolutely enormous help. The lawyer scrap all stemmed from the emigration in the first place, as I’d initially gone “let’s use humans” before we spent a month making zero progress, and variously being ignored or given dangerously incorrect advice. Fired them, with cause, and had the robot take it from there.
I honestly think I’d be unambiguously stuck on the whole endeavour without agentic AI.
All stemmed from her (she’s 4) wanting a game where her stuffed toys go to space. So I started out with creating a canon bible, reference art, style guides, rules for development, the target audience and intent, all that, and then jumped into episodic content following broad seasonal arcs. We’re on season 2, episode 5 right now, and she gets a release every 1-3 weeks.
Oh and as a fun constraint it all has to run on a third gen iPad mini. The thing is like 12 years old or something. I plug in the iPad for it to playtest on it with QuickTime and safari dev tools.
For me it’s been a fun experiment in genre-hopping - point and click adventures in the vein of sierra, various shooters (all “throw the candy to the alien” or “blow up the lifeless asteroid” adaptations), and after a fair bit of content I decided to hop over to unity. Came up with a pipeline for authoring good 3d assets, from characters to scenery, applied that as a rule, and again, off to the races.
Oh and I’ve used elevenlabs for scoring, VA, foley, etc. - all sits comfortably within the $20 a month sub.
So. Fun for me. Fun for her. She just mentions this week that the stars at night are really cool, and I have my direction for the next episode.
This is just another form of the "passive income"/"get rich quick" obsession. If agents could do this, anyone would be able to come up with a way to generate money.
Uhm, at ~760 words that blog post is rather on the short side.
Good luck with your prompt "startup". I'm sure it's working as well as you're saying, and people are definitively paying for prompts they have to tweak themselves anyway. I'm sure this is a real business and you're not just living off stocks and pretending to work.